Navy SEAL sniping from 2,500 yards!

[everett102]

then he's a lier, or likes to use hyperbole.

newton's third law states that for every action, there is an equal and oppisite reaction. therefore, for a target of the bullet to explode and fly away like that, the shooter would also fly away, which is silly.

by the way, my spelling is terrible.

[PlaystationFan]

For those of you that don't know anything past what you see in a video game. A BGM .50 from that range would cause the target to explode.

The BMG .50 only pierces it's target at close range.

I know this because I work with someone that went to sniping school in the military. My boss went, and has fired a BMG .50 numerous times. And yes, at that range, it will comletely destroy its target.

[Cowboy22]

Originally posted by everett102
then he's a lier, or likes to use hyperbole.

newton's third law states that for every action, there is an equal and oppisite reaction. therefore, for a target of the bullet to explode and fly away like that, the shooter would also fly away, which is silly.

by the way, my spelling is terrible.

The stock of the gun absorbs a lot of the blow so you don't get knocked back but there is still a ton of force being dished out to the shooter. I've never actually fired a .50 caliber rifle but I've fired several large caliber rifles, handguns, and shotguns and they kick back like crazy. Fire the rifles and shotguns for an extended period of time and you get a pretty nasty bruise on your shoulder. It's also entirely possible that the force from something that big being distributed to the target at that range would cause it to blow into pieces like you see there.

[Ryan H.]

Originally posted by everett102
then he's a lier, or likes to use hyperbole.

newton's third law states that for every action, there is an equal and oppisite reaction. therefore, for a target of the bullet to explode and fly away like that, the shooter would also fly away, which is silly.

by the way, my spelling is terrible.

That's absolutely ridiculous.

If that were true, any time you fired a shotgun you'd get knocked back ten feet, since shotguns knock back the people they kill. I don't know why you even said that, it's beyond silly.

It really is.

[Cowboy22]

They don't really get knocked back, they just go down hard with a gigantic hole in them. And from what I can tell the targets in this video aren't really being knocked backwards, they're being literally ripped apart because of the size of the projectile and the speed it hits with and blown into pieces. There's a difference.

[everett102]

I dont know where you people "learned" that you get knocked back when shot. where does the extra energy come from that throws the shoot-e backwards? Why isn't the shoot-er thrown backwards with the same force? all of the energy that goes into the bullet is delivered by the exploding gunpowder. does the bullet somehow gain energy from working against air friction and gravity? how do you explain this? if you can, then the basics of physics are wrong and you should write a paper and win the nobel prize.

maybe if you had actually shot a gun and hit something, you would know that things dont fly when shot. take a duck. when shot with heavy loads, it just falls from the sky. it doesn't get knocked back at all.

and before i get some comeback like "have you ever shot something?" yes I have. i own and shoot many different guns of variying power (from the .22 short to the most powerful handgun in existance today the .500 S&W, shotguns, and high-power rifles)into many different things including bowling pins, duck, moose, metal plates, mice, paper targets, potatoes, and rocks. i have yet to see something i shot fly back like they do in movies, because that is the only place where it happens.

If you can prove me wrong with actual facts other than "I know someone who..." than i would like to hear it.

[Cowboy22]

Agreed, as a fairly experienced hunter and someone whose been firing guns of varius sizes since I was about 10 years old, the things you shoot don't fly back. It looks cool in video games and movies but it's complete bullshit. But I still don't know why you question the validity of the footage, a .50 cal could easily rip someone to pieces like that. I've blown a bunch of targets (bowling pins, pop bottles, ect) and some smaller animals apart with rounds a hell of a lot smaller than that.

Also, and completly off topic: What's it like hunting moose everett? I mostly hunt pheasent and deer but it's something I've always wanted to try.

[everett102]

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For those of you that don't know anything past what you see in a video game. A BGM .50 from that range would cause the target to explode.

The BMG .50 only pierces it's target at close range.

I know this because I work with someone that went to sniping school in the military. My boss went, and has fired a BMG .50 numerous times. And yes, at that range, it will comletely destroy its target.
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At close range (100-200 yards), a .50 would pierce it's target. at extreme long range (as 2500 yards would be) the bullet would have less energy, and therefore wouldn't have the energy to "completely destroy it's target". also, it is illegal (due to the geneva convention) for the military to use hollow point ammunition. they can only use ball, armor piercing, or incindiary projectiles. ball and AP rounds are designed NOT to expand. they can not "completely destroy" what they shoot, because frankly, they do not want them completley destroyed.

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The stock of the gun absorbs a lot of the blow so you don't get knocked back but there is still a ton of force being dished out to the shooter. I've never actually fired a .50 caliber rifle but I've fired several large caliber rifles, handguns, and shotguns and they kick back like crazy. Fire the rifles and shotguns for an extended period of time and you get a pretty nasty bruise on your shoulder. It's also entirely possible that the force from something that big being distributed to the target at that range would cause it to blow into pieces like you see there.
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here again, the bullet has LESS energy at these ranges. really long range is like 1000 yards, let alone 2500. and yet again, they can only use ball or AP ammo, which is designed specificly NOT to expand, even more so with the .50 because it is anti-material, not anti-personel.

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That's absolutely ridiculous.

If that were true, any time you fired a shotgun you'd get knocked back ten feet, since shotguns knock back the people they kill. I don't know why you even said that, it's beyond silly.

It really is.
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shotguns do not knock back the people they kill. take for example turkey hunting. they use extremly large shotgun loads with a large amount of pellets and larger than normal powder loads. when they shoot a 15 pound turkey, it falls down. it doesn't get thrown back. when a person hunts deer with a shotgun, they use very large shot (00 or 000 buckshot, maybe a 1oz. slug). when they shoot a 180 deer (an average to large deer) they do not get thrown back. the average person probably weighs around 180 pounds. what's beond silly is to beleve that the projectile somehow gains energy on it's way to the target.

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They don't really get knocked back, they just go down hard with a gigantic hole in them. And from what I can tell the targets in this video aren't really being knocked backwards, they're being literally ripped apart because of the size of the projectile and the speed it hits with and blown into pieces. There's a difference.
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Again, for a bullet to rip apart the target, it would have to be somekind of hollow-point (illegal by the geneva convention for armies to use, remember?). ball and AP punch holes. period. no ripping apart, no going poof. just a hole. since the .50 punches holes at close range, they most certainly would only be able to punch holes at long range, and more so at extreme long range like 2500 yards.


off topic sort of
moose hunting is great because they are this huge impressive animal that can move through the snow and the woods so effortlessly. they really are quite the animal. I got a moose hunting permit (archery only) this year and hope to fill it. I highly recommend moose if you like hunting and carrying heavy objects.

[Ryan H.]

Everret, you must not watch a lot of these videos, because I've seen plenty of them where our ammo rips people apart. I've seen a thirty can turret turn terrorists into little more than mists of blood and bone, I've seen terrorists heads explode from sniper shots, etc.

Besides which, if you say this CAN'T be a fifty cal sniper, then why is it said that it is, and if it's not, then what is it?

Lastly, Cowboy, I guarantee you if I shot you point blank with a shottie, you'd be blown back. It's not the same as using a shotgun to hunt pheasant or turkey.

[Ryan H.]

Originally posted by everett102

If you can prove me wrong with actual facts other than "I know someone who..." than i would like to hear it.

Actual facts like claiming that shooting a sniper rifle like that would blow back the person shooting it?

If only Antonio still posted here. As a physics expert, he'd be able to explain the physics of what's going on when those people explode.