Now that Ive cooled off....

[Ryan H.]

Originally posted by svosen


Based on what?

I'm not saying that I know, either, but MY assumption would be that the numbers of African tribesmen dealing in African slave trading would have had to have been greater than the number of Europeans involved.

In other words, I don't think it's "obvious" at all.

One thing's for sure: white people don't have the market on inhumane treatment cornered by a long shot. We're all prone to evil, regardless of ethnicity.

I don't think we could ever quantify it.

Many slaves were taken in European conquests of Africa, but there is no denying that many African tribes worked in collusion with their neighbors to the north.

As for white people having a monopoly on evil, I would hope the fact that concepts like corruption and greed is not ethnic would be obvious.

[Ryan H.]

Originally posted by dillonthebunny


look at communism... personally I love the idea of everyone being equal.. yes maybe its the hippy in me, but even tho communism is a nice idea.. it doesn’t work.

and the main perpetrators of communism not working are the people who fight for it the most.

anyway... sorry, back to the subject...

Actually, the problem with communism is simply human nature. Marxist philosophy dictates that at some point, the proletariat must wrest power from the bourgeois, and hand government over to an oligarchy until such time as it is possible to return government to the people.

The problem is that once you give one of the proletariat power, they stop becoming one of the 'people'. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, which is why every communist leader has done everything to keep power once they've acquired it.

Mao Zedong actually went so far as to send his Red Guard out to kill intellectuals, stating that 'the more one studies, the stupider they become', which is obvious bullshit. He just wanted people to remain ignorant, because it is always easier to oppress the ignorant.

Communism is a wonderful ideal. It would be nice if everyone were equal. The problem is we aren't, and most of us don't really want to be anyway.

[Voice]

People don't seem to understand this issue.

It's not about whether or not a woman should have the right to abortion. They will ALWAYS have that right.

It's about taking away their right to have it done in a safe environment.

Do you really think making abortion illegal will stop women from getting abortions?

NO.

All it will do is change the way they go about getting one.

This is why it shouldn't be illegal. Plain and simple.

Jumbo: We're pretty close to being a Theocracy, DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ARE A THEOCRACY!!! IT MEANS WE ARE CLOSE TO BEING ONE!!!!!! I.E NOT A THEOCRACY!!!!!!!

[Gabriel013]

But if it was illegal, people would be less flipant about the issue.

Many would be less likely to have abortions simply because a child would be too much hastled if there were legal ramifications.

[Lefty Grove]

Originally posted by Voice
Do you really think making abortion illegal will stop women from getting abortions?

NO.

Of course not. Same with every other law. But you and I both know that abortion will be more than cut in half, maybe even by 75%. Do you honestly think people won't think twice about becoming pregnant if they couldn't get an abortion? If everyone was responsible enough to some form of protection, this conversation wouldn't really be a problem.

Do I support abortion? Yes, to a certain extent, but not for the reasons you listed.

[Voice]

Reasons?

I didn't list any reasons.

because I think a woman has the right for an abortion for ANY REASON. This is one issue you can't be half and half...or be like "well I agree with abortion in this case, but I disagree with it in this case...."

Either you are pro-choice or you are pro-life. I'm pro-choice. Do I disagree with women using abortion as a form of birth control? (Like women who get abortions yearly.....stuff like that....) Yes I disagree with that...but does that stop me from being pro-choice? no....because all in all, the greater percent of women who use abortion as a last resort need that right.

Making abortion illegal won't do anything to deter people from having unprotected sex.

[Dmitry M. (Lazer)]

You can't just expect everyone to have a set point like that. Having opinions of positive and negative towards one specific thing is the way many people go.

What you said about being Pro-Choice or Pro-Life is bullshit. So you're saying if someone is Pro-Choice they give a rats ass about life around them?

You can be both towards one or many subjects.

[Voice]

when it comes to which way you would vote if it came to that, either you are pro-choice, or pro life.

You can have morals and ideals of pro-life, and still be pro-choice.

I think abortion should be a last resort type of thing, i'll always opt for adoption, but when it comes down to it, I'd rather it be legal and safe, then illegal and un-safe.

[Lefty Grove]

Originally posted by Voice
Either you are pro-choice or you are pro-life.

Sorry, but that's pretty narrow-minded. You can be pro-choice only in situations like rape and incest, and be only pro-life in things third-trimester abortions.

[Ryan H.]

Originally posted by Voice
People don't seem to understand this issue.

It's not about whether or not a woman should have the right to abortion. They will ALWAYS have that right.

It's about taking away their right to have it done in a safe environment.

Do you really think making abortion illegal will stop women from getting abortions?

NO.

All it will do is change the way they go about getting one.

This is why it shouldn't be illegal. Plain and simple.

Jumbo: We're pretty close to being a Theocracy, DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ARE A THEOCRACY!!! IT MEANS WE ARE CLOSE TO BEING ONE!!!!!! I.E NOT A THEOCRACY!!!!!!!

People will always kill, that doesn't mean we should make it legal, or easier. People will always rape. Just because some people will always do something doesn't mean the act should be legalized; that's an absolutely ridiculous argument.

Additionally, many women who would get an abortion today may not if the process were illegal, for several reasons.

Finally, you've yet to provide one shred of evidence that even remotely indicates we are 'close to being a theocracy'.

What laws have been passed that have moved us closer to a theocracy in the past four years?