dillonthebunny

this fine figure of a man has spoken out about the PS3.. and he hasnt been a nice man, in fact one might be a lil peeved that his short sightedness could damage the games we might get from Valve.

with a quote like "a waste of everybody's time. Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else. You're not going to gain anything except a hatred of the architecture they've created."

http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/1979.html


http://www.mcvuk.com/news/25317/Valv...asket-over-PS3

this man is acting like an idiot. If was going to get someone to make a game for me, it wouldn’t be this man, i think i might go and see Hideo or Mr SquareEnix for the job.

apparently the Orange box isnt a port, apparently Gabe wouldn’t think that the PS3 is up to the job, in fact our version is being dealt with by EA (lesser of the two evils????).

so is it not a port? what the hell is going on? who is the Gabe Newell anyway, ive heard of him.. does he have much clout in the industry?

ive said this before, if people don’t invest time in using a machine and learning how to program on it properly, then why blame the machine you’re working on.. bad workmen blames their tools and all that.

IF the PS3 isnt up to the spec then guys like Konami, Guerrilla, Square, Polyphony etc etc.. would be working on some of the most stunning games in history.

Capcom has disappointed me. with Monster Hunter 3 going on the wii (wtf!!!) because of high budget claims, just adds fuel to the fanboy fire.

im just hoping that these AAA titles come out quick and prove to everyone that the PS3 isn’t a George Forman grill in disguise.

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Ben D.

Just ignore him. He's nothing but a whiner; he couldn't get his precious game to work as easily on the PS3, so he flipped out. It's nothing more than that.

I notice first-party developers having little to no trouble, and other developers - who actually took the time and effort to learn a bit about the PS3 - are getting a lot out of it already.

Laziness and inability isn't an excuse to shoot your mouth off.

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The Benny (Macho)

Gabe Newell is one of the founders of Valve, so you'd have to take things like being involved in several of the greatest FPS titles of all time and the creation of the successful Steam digital delivery platform into account when assessing any 'clout' he may have.

Obviously though he's primarily a PC developer, so with the 360 being very PC-friendly and the PS3 operating it's own fairly complicated hardware it's only logical to find the PS3 hard to get to grips with. It's why a lot of PC developers use the 360 for their forays into the console market. His point seems to be that the PS3 requires you to relearn how to do things because of the nature of the Cell, whereas the 360 allows PC developers to take the knowledge they have and implement it well without much fuss. From the point of view of a PS3 developer it's interesting and full of potential, but for a PC developer it's a great big headache.

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dillonthebunny

so it really is the fact that they are 'too important' to relearn how to use something? man, that sucks.

its like saying no to SKATE in favour of THPS, because you refuse to learn another way to play the same sort of game.

its people like Gabe who made the genre as amazing as it is. I still consider Half Life and Counter Strike as two of the greatest games ive played, and personally i have lost many many hours playing them.

but you would of thought that an intelligent man such as he obviously is, can understand that it cant always be an easy ride when it comes to what he does best, and that if he just spent the time leaning a new way, he might be able to create something truly amazing and unique?

its a sad sad day when someone like this decides that easy is best, i dont think anyone or anything has ever benifited from that sort of outlook ever.

i understand the concept of keeping it simple etc etc.. but this is his line of work, technology moves on, you must learn new things or get stuck in that mud and get stale.

if its just the fact that he doesnt want to work on the PS3, cool.. i know i wont miss those games that he makes.. but why bitch about it and make out like youre some sort of Guru who people have to listen to.
The Edge Magazine is possibly the last place i want to hear this ego crap from, because its right up their street.. i would love it if someone from the UK who reads The Edge can say what they said about Gabes outburst.

i would be very surprised if The Edge defended the PS3 but you never know!

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The Benny (Macho)

Technology does indeed move on, but I think Gabe's opinion is that the Cell isn't moving in a direction worth going. He doesn't see other consoles or PCs adopting PS3's architecture, meaning there are few long-term benefits to going to great lengths to learn how it works, especially when approaching from the direction of porting games across.

If I remember correctly he's also been critical of Microsoft, though that's more to do with their efforts with the Live service, which approaches things differently to Valve's own Steam service.

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dillonthebunny

i think in the end it will be down to proof and what can/ is being done with the PS3, I think HOME could be a mile stone here.

from what i can gather, people like Gabe will very rarely admit that they are wrong, or were wrong at the time of saying what they think. so im not hoping for that.

i just hope that he will see others making amazing titles and follow suit.


difference of opinion is what helps drive this industry on, and mostly forward in direction, so i hope that something good can come out of this.. either in the education of Gabe or Sony.. who ever can get the most out of this outburst.

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Ben D.

What he's saying doesn't make any sense. What "direction" should the Cell be moving in? The PS2 also had completely alien hardware right off the bat, and it didn't "move" in any direction. It stayed on that one piece of hardware, and it ended up being the biggest selling console in history. 130 million units in less than 7 years is pretty impressive. No other console adopted the PS2 architecture, and they certainly didn't need to.

I believe you're looking at the EXACT same set of complaints with the PS3 as we saw early on with the PS2. Literally word-for-word. "It's too hard," "it's too different," etc, etc, etc. Just because Newell holds a lot of clout and is primarily a PC developer doesn't give him the excuse to bash on a console that other developers are embracing. I always give respect to individuals who have earned it - and Newell has earned it - but his comments have been downright adolescent in nature.

Furthermore, it's mildly hypocritical. If it's a "waste of everybody's time," why did Valve even bother to develop The Orange Box for the PS3? Wouldn't that be a "waste of time?" In the end, I understand developers having difficulty with the PS3, but from what I've seen and heard already, regarding both current and future titles AND numerous comments from developers, I can't give Newell's comments much respect.

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The Benny (Macho)

My impression was that he was critical of the Cell itself, that from a gaming perspective it's here for this generation then that may well be it for its future applications, whereas the 360 uses common hardware similar to that of PCs so most people already know how to use it and will take that knowledge with them to future hardware that will be around a lot longer. Valve do tend to work to long time scales, with Half-Life 2 and Team Fortress 2 essentially being in development since their first incarnation was completed, so perhaps his thinking is that anything for the PC or 360 can be easily adapted to future hardware, whereas a Playstation 4 with potentially radically different hardware could make all their PS3 progress redundant before they were even halfway through development. It's not necessarily a valid reason to hate the PS3 though.

I think Newell's a PC fan first and foremost, so perhaps it's mainly stemming from a resentment of the popularity of consoles right now, that they're too big a market to be ignored. In that respect porting to the 360 is fairly straightforward so not too much of a hassle for them, whereas the PS3 is awkward by comparison, hence farming the port out to EA. Being independent and successful does also mean that Newell probably doesn't care what anybody thinks of him, which is why he's often so vocal and so negative.

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Ben D.

I don't doubt any of that, and I'm sure it's a correct view. But I will add this- it seems as if the vast majority of PS3 "complainers" have strong roots in the PC. I've noticed that both PC developers and gamers lately have been VERY bitter and even hostile towards the console community, primarily because of how popular it has become. I've always despised PC elitism, and I don't even consider the PC a viable gaming platform anymore. Its lack of originality and innovation over the past decade is embarrassing.

And the PC fans are annoyed. But it's not the fault of Sony or Microsoft. The Cell may or may not be something that gets included in the PS4, but if Sony is correct in their assertion that the PS3 has an 8-10-year lifespan, than I don't really see a problem.

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I agree, consoles are definitely the home of gaming right now. I personally have grown weary of the constant need to upgrade hardware and muck about with patches and drivers, all to end up with a result that isn't significantly superior to the console versions. Newell himself was critical of certain aspects of PC gaming, especially DirectX 10 and it's impact on "the increasing lack of input device diversity in PC gaming culture. He would like to see controllers like the Wiimote or the Guitar Hero guitar, but since DirectX support for devices like these had increasingly been reduced over the last few years, developers didn't dare implement these expensive innovations."

While a lot of the anti-console sentiment is unjustified and elitist, the rise of console gaming has had some negative effects. Nobody seems to be making the pens&paper style RPGs these days, with even developers like Bioware and Bethesda going for console-friendly action titles rather than the turn-based isometric games. Fans of that genre are very firmly anti-console. Other PC stalwarts though, like first- and third-person shooters, are more numerous than ever before thanks in part to console gaming. For all their faults, Microsoft have done a lot for bringing online gaming to the point PC gaming should have been at years ago.

There are developers who don't like the relatively 'closed' nature of consoles, especially when digital delivery is arguably the next big step for gaming and media and a company like Microsoft has such a strong hold on it with Live. But gamers should essentially be embracing any format with good games on it, meaning developers should too.

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