Mr. SunburnMan

Yeah, I considered saying those two as well, but I just decided to go with my personal faves. Those are probably my 3rd and 4th faves. :P

I don't see how WLK wouldn't qualify as one of the platform's better games. While arcade games aren't everyone's bag, neither are RPGs, or games where you're a demi-god killing everything on sight. Yawn.

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Ben D.

Because there are other aspects to games that aren't subjective. WLK is great, but outside of personal preference, it essentially loses in every possible category when compared to something like GoW or FF X.

And if you think GoW is "boring" but WLK somehow isn't (anybody could just as easily turn that around to saying, "I'm bored with any game where I roll a ball around picking things up...'YAWN'), than I'm relatively certain there's no hope for you.

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Mr. SunburnMan

You are comparing WLK with GoW and yet accusing me of being the hopeless one... Seriously?

PS: The 'YAWN' was meant not for the GoW, but for the obivious direction of the rhetoric this argument would go to. I'm glad that I was right to yawn. YAWN.

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Ziggman2g

GoW is bad ass. but FFX?? it seriously sucks

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Cowboy22

RAR! PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH ME ABOUT GAMES!

Honestly, he's hopeless because he likes different games than you do? Really? Come on dude.

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Ziggman2g

Gow ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT DOESN'T SUCK!

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Dmitry M. (Lazer)

No offense but GoW was way overrated. People want more shoot em ups, kill am fast, and just beat em up games. It's really getting rediculuse how game like GTA and GoW get so much credit.

Tell me this, have you ever even played ICO. So many people i know have never even heard of that game for PS2. A game does not have to contain action, violance, or even any graphical content to be great. Tell me how many people will know or have any knowledge of GoW 10-20 years from now unless a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on... are released? I doubt many. While a simple game like Tetris will be known and played forever.

GoW is a game for the moment it is nothing special. Final Fantasy, MGS, Tetris, Lumines, WLK, and other such game can be played over and over without boredom.

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Ben D.

If people around here chose to actually read, they'd notice the "not every part of games is subjective" comment I already made a ways back.

All I'll say is that there isn't a reviewer on this earth that would score WLK higher than GoW, and it has absolutely nothing to do with opinion. We're talking about review scores, and if that's the case, there are other things to consider besides personal opinion. He can like whatever he wants. When discussing the best, "best" is not dictated by personal opinion. It's dictated by quality, which is also not entirely subjective.

If a critic such as myself reviews a game based entirely on whether or not they "like" it, that person is a flat-out idiot. Personal preference factors in, certainly, but its hardly the only thing to look at. I would never own or even complete Ace Combat Zero: The Belkan War, but because I didn't like it, I'll just dock points from the score? No. That's foolish and egotistical. I gave it what it deserved, regardless of whether or not it's my cup of tea. That's how we determine what is the "best," by NOT allowing personal preference to overrule every other aspect of the game.

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Ben D.

No, it's not overrated. And yes, I did play ICO.

If you want to talk overrated amongst the cult followers of a particular game, let's talk ICO. The control wasn't great, the story wasn't fleshed out enough, and the battle seemed not only unnecessary but inconsistent and a detriment to the overall gameplay. Actually, it just seemed downright unnecessary. The issues discussed in multiple reviews are accurate and legitimate. Personally, I think SotC was much better.

GoW, love it or hate it, got the praise it deserved. The graphics are arguably the best on the PS2 (and in terms of artistry, even better than NG, IMO) and the soundtrack was classically wonderful. The control and fluidity of combat is rarely encountered anywhere in the game world, let alone in just the action genre. At no time did the game feel like a chore - in stark contrast to its major competitors in DMC 3 and NG - and it also nearly-flawlessly implemented platforming and puzzle aspects into the action foundation.

No, it didn't offer anything entirely new, but the melding of the elements and the overall polish is essentially "new," in and of itself simply because very few other titles can match it when it comes to that kind of thing. It's hardly perfect, but it's certainly not "overrated." The constant ICO-promoting in video game forums, on the other hand, is getting outrageously tiresome.

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Mr. SunburnMan

No. I'm not talking about review scores, I never did. I was talking about my personal preferences. You were the only one ever talking about review scores.

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