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Old 02-01-2005, 02:08 AM   #31
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Dementare. Just because 'it happens' doesn't mean people aren't entitled to complain about it. How else arethings ever going to improve.

These companies aren't going to bother putting millions into researching how to make things better if we all take the view that shit happens, we'll get over it.

Referring back to the screen problems some people have had, I think everyone is entitled to have a perfect display and not just keep quiet simply because burnt out pixels happen with other LCD screens.
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Old 02-01-2005, 08:02 AM   #32
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"Referring back to the screen problems some people have had, I think everyone is entitled to have a perfect display and not just keep quiet simply because burnt out pixels happen with other LCD screens."


You can think whatever you want. You aren't the guy who makes return policy for sony or any other LCD manufacturer.

It would be _nice_ if there was no such thing as bad pixels but the reality is, there is. If you are buying a product with an LCD you need to know what you are getting into and that having a couple bad pixels is not always grounds to return your product depending on who made it. You can kick and stomp your feet but if it falls within the allowable tolerance for that manuf then you are SoL.

For the record, I have zero bad pixels on my PSP. How many do you have on yours Gabriel013?
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Dementare. Just because 'it happens' doesn't mean people aren't entitled to complain about it. How else arethings ever going to improve.

These companies aren't going to bother putting millions into researching how to make things better if we all take the view that shit happens, we'll get over it.

Referring back to the screen problems some people have had, I think everyone is entitled to have a perfect display and not just keep quiet simply because burnt out pixels happen with other LCD screens.
Very, very true. Opinions and complaints do help for the mass market to create something that works and caters towards the fans wants.

And Dmitry, I understand that replacing a controller is a WAY more cheaper thing to do than replace a PSP, but I'm just saying that even though the button is soft doesn't mean it's not playable. 'Cause trust me, I know it would cost a fortune to replace one of these babies.
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Old 02-01-2005, 10:20 PM   #34
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"Referring back to the screen problems some people have had, I think everyone is entitled to have a perfect display and not just keep quiet simply because burnt out pixels happen with other LCD screens."


You can think whatever you want. You aren't the guy who makes return policy for sony or any other LCD manufacturer.

It would be _nice_ if there was no such thing as bad pixels but the reality is, there is. If you are buying a product with an LCD you need to know what you are getting into and that having a couple bad pixels is not always grounds to return your product depending on who made it. You can kick and stomp your feet but if it falls within the allowable tolerance for that manuf then you are SoL.

For the record, I have zero bad pixels on my PSP. How many do you have on yours Gabriel013?
Firstly an LCD screan on a cell phone has almost non existant Burned Pixels, or PDA's for that matter. The reason i say this is because there are far less Pixels on those compared to that of a Monitor. And LCD Monitor has far more pixels then any Handheld device including the PSP. And if you really want to know most LCD Manufacturers will replace a 19in LCD Monitor once it has about 10 Dead Pixels if i'm not mistaken, and when you minaturize a screan you have far less pixels, so unlike a monitor, the PSP or like my DS 1-3 Dead Pixals are already noticable due to the screan size.

Out of the package no item should ever have a Dead Pixel, if it does that means there was a packaging problem or a shipping problem.
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Old 02-02-2005, 02:04 AM   #35
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"Referring back to the screen problems some people have had, I think everyone is entitled to have a perfect display and not just keep quiet simply because burnt out pixels happen with other LCD screens."


You can think whatever you want. You aren't the guy who makes return policy for sony or any other LCD manufacturer.

It would be _nice_ if there was no such thing as bad pixels but the reality is, there is. If you are buying a product with an LCD you need to know what you are getting into and that having a couple bad pixels is not always grounds to return your product depending on who made it. You can kick and stomp your feet but if it falls within the allowable tolerance for that manuf then you are SoL.

For the record, I have zero bad pixels on my PSP. How many do you have on yours Gabriel013?
I don't have a PSP yet as I live in the UK Toby. I just feel that I'd been ripped off if the product I purchased wasn't of the same quality of that of my neighbour.
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Old 02-02-2005, 07:50 AM   #36
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"Firstly an LCD screan on a cell phone has almost non existant Burned Pixels, or PDA's for that matter. The reason i say this is because there are far less Pixels on those compared to that of a Monitor. And LCD Monitor has far more pixels then any Handheld device including the PSP. And if you really want to know most LCD Manufacturers will replace a 19in LCD Monitor once it has about 10 Dead Pixels if i'm not mistaken, and when you minaturize a screan you have far less pixels, so unlike a monitor, the PSP or like my DS 1-3 Dead Pixals are already noticable due to the screan size.

Out of the package no item should ever have a Dead Pixel, if it does that means there was a packaging problem or a shipping problem."


And there should be world peace and no racism yadda yadda yadda

So what? That is not reality.

I already posted a link with monitor LCD dead pixel policy. Do you even read replies or is it to hard to see around all the froth around your mouth? I have a number of lcds, some have bad pixels, some don't. Lately I've been lucky and I haven't got any panels with dead pixels in a while.

I'll ask you now, how many dead pixels do you have on YOUR psp?
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Old 02-02-2005, 05:22 PM   #37
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"Firstly an LCD screan on a cell phone has almost non existant Burned Pixels, or PDA's for that matter. The reason i say this is because there are far less Pixels on those compared to that of a Monitor. And LCD Monitor has far more pixels then any Handheld device including the PSP. And if you really want to know most LCD Manufacturers will replace a 19in LCD Monitor once it has about 10 Dead Pixels if i'm not mistaken, and when you minaturize a screan you have far less pixels, so unlike a monitor, the PSP or like my DS 1-3 Dead Pixals are already noticable due to the screan size.

Out of the package no item should ever have a Dead Pixel, if it does that means there was a packaging problem or a shipping problem."


And there should be world peace and no racism yadda yadda yadda

So what? That is not reality.

I already posted a link with monitor LCD dead pixel policy. Do you even read replies or is it to hard to see around all the froth around your mouth? I have a number of lcds, some have bad pixels, some don't. Lately I've been lucky and I haven't got any panels with dead pixels in a while.

I'll ask you now, how many dead pixels do you have on YOUR psp?
I don't have a PSP. And stop acting like an ignorant idiot with "And there should be world peace and no racism yadda yadda yadda."

Business is revolved around the public, and if you don't give a shit like Sony did with there Plasma's you end up like them. Sony didn't fix there Plasma's like all other brands did with the problem of Burning in and now they're in a shithole in the Plasma Industry.

Who are your customers? The Public, so the public has the right to complain. That's what allows technology to advance and become more convenient and better. Because the Public says what's needed or whats wrong. The more people care less about Dead Pixels, the more you'll start seeing and the higher the Dead Pixel Rate Warrenty will go up.
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Old 02-03-2005, 08:21 AM   #38
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I don't have a PSP.
I already knew that I just wanted to hear it from you. Makes you sound like even more of a dumbass.

Now I am going to use an "analogy" so you might want to ask an adult to help you understand this one:

There is a difference between acceptance and approval. I accept that a dog may bark since that is its nature but that doesn't mean I approve of it.

Now contrary to your deluded little fantasy, LCD manufacturers don't need your "encouragement" in order to refine their processes to reduce dead pixels. It is in their best interests as money making entities to cut down on defects & returns as much as they can since it comes directly out of their pockets. As the science advances and the processes are refined and improved, these manuf will be able to make larger and larger displays with less and less defects. And yes, this all happens without Dmitry M Layzars "help" or "encouragement".
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I already knew that I just wanted to hear it from you. Makes you sound like even more of a dumbass.

Now I am going to use an "analogy" so you might want to ask an adult to help you understand this one:

There is a difference between acceptance and approval. I accept that a dog may bark since that is its nature but that doesn't mean I approve of it.

Now contrary to your deluded little fantasy, LCD manufacturers don't need your "encouragement" in order to refine their processes to reduce dead pixels. It is in their best interests as money making entities to cut down on defects & returns as much as they can since it comes directly out of their pockets. As the science advances and the processes are refined and improved, these manuf will be able to make larger and larger displays with less and less defects. And yes, this all happens without Dmitry M Layzars "help" or "encouragement".
This thread was based on the Square button as well. And i was refering to the Square Button issue on the PSP. I don't need your retarded lecture. But i was refering to a dead pixel out of the box. If the dead pixel comes in time then that's fine, but if there is a dead pixel out of a brand new box, there is something wrong with it. Example: A hell lot of Nintendo DS' that were shipped had dead pixels, both of the ones i got had them. And it is annoying to have to switch them through Nintendo, though it was fast and easy the wait period is annoying.

I never said my help and encouragement, but if you ever notice that technology improves under what people think. The HDD died out for the PS2 and the people, being the consumers didn't buy it so Sony admitted to the HDD being a failure and released the PSTwo. If people are actually returning the PSP due to dead pixels, the Square Button not functioning properly or at all, or what not that means there is something wrong.

And if you read the post i am not the only one that believes out of the box no items should have a dead pixel or anything wrong with it. Listen carefully to what i said, i mentioned only out of the box dead pixels.

Oh yes all the improvements in technology happen without the help of consumers. Yes you are correct!
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I already knew that I just wanted to hear it from you. Makes you sound like even more of a dumbass.

Now I am going to use an "analogy" so you might want to ask an adult to help you understand this one:

There is a difference between acceptance and approval. I accept that a dog may bark since that is its nature but that doesn't mean I approve of it.

Now contrary to your deluded little fantasy, LCD manufacturers don't need your "encouragement" in order to refine their processes to reduce dead pixels. It is in their best interests as money making entities to cut down on defects & returns as much as they can since it comes directly out of their pockets. As the science advances and the processes are refined and improved, these manuf will be able to make larger and larger displays with less and less defects. And yes, this all happens without Dmitry M Layzars "help" or "encouragement".
It's down to customer complaints that manufacturers improve the quality of technology and you even make reference to it yourself

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Customer disatisfaction and returns amount to the same thing!

As Dmitry has already stated it isn't problems which arise over the natural life of the technology which we are not happy about, it's the out of the box problems which we take issue with.

I could understand you arguing your point Toby if we were complaining about the appearance of dead pixels a year or so into the active life of the PSP as that would be like us complaining about the tube going on our TV's after ten years.
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