You know, it's funny watching Nintendo get owned by a newcomer AGAIN! - Page 9

Ryan H. · 03-04-2003

Arnold, you had me with your "XBOX titles are superior" argument right up until you recommended DOA3. Pardon? If I feel the need to gratify myself, which is the only thing a game like that could possibly be good for (and even at that you'd have to be a sex starved pre-teen), then I will just watch an actual porno. At least then I'm not denying what I am watching.

Yes, the XBOX does have good games. However, I disagree with the sentiment that there are more good XBOX games than GC games. Of course it all comes down to preference, but I think in this case your disappointment with Nintendo has clouded your judgement.

Arnold K. (Admin) · 03-04-2003

Preference or not, statistically, there are more successful titles on the Xbox, rather than the GC. The games on the Cube are what? Rehashes of the same shit. THE SAME ****ING SHIT. There is NOTHING **NEW!** to experience on the GameCube; Metroid, Mario, Star Fox, Smash Bros, Mario Party 20, Resident Evil...WTF!

As opposed to the Xbox's fresh line up of new titles like Halo, Project Gotham, Jet Set Radio Future, Splinter Cell, Moto GP (still the most sophisticated moto racer on the market, and vastly different than any other moto game out there). And what about the future? Fable, B.C, Halo 2, Project Gotham 2, and a wave of new titles. In terms of freshness, new experiences, and originality, the Xbox has the GameCube beat like a whore by her pimp. This isn't some biased ramble, this is a realization of truth; Nintendo isn't what they used to be, and they never will be if they continue this bullshit.

Also: DOA3 is just a game I like to pick up and play for a few minutes here and there. It always makes for a fun multi-player game, as well.

Ryan H. · 03-04-2003

DOA3 is nothing but a showcase title designed to show off the graphical capabilties of the XBOX. It is a game wholly without substance, unless you consider digitized silicone implants worthwhile gaming material. But I digress....

Nintendo may very well be rehashing old titles, but it is utterly unfair to hold them to any higher standard than other companies in this respect. How many Capcom titles these days are original? Resident Evil 18: Nemisis goes to Hollywood? WTF? Yes, Nintendo does rehash shit, but at least their shit is worthy of multiple titles, whereas many other games out there are not.

I agree that Nintendo is not what they used to be, but then neither is Sega, Capcom, Eidos, and many other companies in this industry. Basically, we are seeing the same trend in the gaming industry that we saw in the movie industry in the 70's and 80's. Every industry has a rebirth, and I truly believe we will see one when Nintendo and Sony launch their next platforms.

Ultimately, Arnold, if you are going to deny the pure goodness that can be found on the GC, then you are, in reality, no more than a fanboy. Maybe Nintendo isn't as 'fresh' as MS, but then again, they don't necessarily need to be, do they?

Arnold K. (Admin) · 03-04-2003

Fanboy? I'm sorry, I don't spend $50 on a game just so that I can hate it, and say how much it ****ing sucks. Great logic, Ryan.

I'm discontent with Nintendo's titles. Is that so wrong? Am I not allowed to dislike their games anymore? Sure, they may be one of the pioneers in the gaming world, but do I give a shit? No. Their software is putrid and is rotten. Enough is enough.

Rosencrantz · 03-04-2003

All I know is what I see. There is no real point in arguing preferences because it is like comparing apples and oranges, so to speak.

What I see is that Gamerankings rates MORE GC higher than X-Box games. GC has way more games than X-Box rated in the top 200 scores. Since GR takes averages from many different places I would like to think that their scoring holds some merit. Personally, I feel that most X-Box games gets a boost in scores due simply to graphics.

To make my point Arnold, you talk about all the problems Apex has, yet MANY websites and magazines are talking like this is the secong coming for racing games. GS rated the game in the 7's and the fanboys revolted because GS gave it a lower score than a lot of sights that rated it. From the sound of things your review is similar to GS's, so I will assumes those high 8's to 9 ratings are over doing it. Why so high? Because the graphics are good so people over look everything that is more important.

I would only partially agree with your comments on X-Box games being more "successful" than GC games. It is true that any game without the Nintendo name on it sells like crap. However, most of those big name games you listed as being grea (JSRF, PDO, etc) have sold just as horribly. Basically X-Box has it's own reputation for horrible sales, although it isn't as bad as the GC's right now because htey aren't in last place. If X-Box was in 3rd place in sales I guarantee the positions would be reversed and third parties would be pulling their X-Box support.

As for the person who menioned the profit from XBL...there is no profit. It costs Microsoft millions upon millions to set up XBL and they have't seen any proft from it yet. They won't for a long time. Or at least until they start charging a monthly fee which WILL come despite what most say. There is no way they are going to let people continue to slide by on $50 a year.

Finally, I STILL have to wonder what Microsoft plans to do next gen. So far their sales are only doing good as lon gas they continue offering more and more deals. If the X-Box were not a Microsoft product it would have went under long ago. However, the question is whether or not people will be interested in the X-Box 2 if they have to pay full and regular price.

Anyway, that is my long winded point. I am very unimpressed with X-Box and think it is the biggest disappointment this gen. I mean, it is Microsoft for crap sake and they gave up the battle for first long ago and have the nerver now to brag about how 2nd place they are. Wow. Not that I'm in love with GC. I'm not, I too think Nintendo has their problems. However, I find it strange when people praise the X-Box but talk about how poorly the GC is doing. From my perspective they both have their problems, but X-Box is doing worse because it SHOULD have been much more successful than it is now.

Barret Wallace · 03-04-2003

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Originally posted by Rosencrantz
All I know is what I see. There is no real point in arguing preferences because it is like comparing apples and oranges, so to speak.

What I see is that Gamerankings rates MORE GC higher than X-Box games. GC has way more games than X-Box rated in the top 200 scores. Since GR takes averages from many different places I would like to think that their scoring holds some merit. Personally, I feel that most X-Box games gets a boost in scores due simply to graphics.

To make my point Arnold, you talk about all the problems Apex has, yet MANY websites and magazines are talking like this is the secong coming for racing games. GS rated the game in the 7's and the fanboys revolted because GS gave it a lower score than a lot of sights that rated it. From the sound of things your review is similar to GS's, so I will assumes those high 8's to 9 ratings are over doing it. Why so high? Because the graphics are good so people over look everything that is more important.

I would only partially agree with your comments on X-Box games being more "successful" than GC games. It is true that any game without the Nintendo name on it sells like crap. However, most of those big name games you listed as being grea (JSRF, PDO, etc) have sold just as horribly. Basically X-Box has it's own reputation for horrible sales, although it isn't as bad as the GC's right now because htey aren't in last place. If X-Box was in 3rd place in sales I guarantee the positions would be reversed and third parties would be pulling their X-Box support.

As for the person who menioned the profit from XBL...there is no profit. It costs Microsoft millions upon millions to set up XBL and they have't seen any proft from it yet. They won't for a long time. Or at least until they start charging a monthly fee which WILL come despite what most say. There is no way they are going to let people continue to slide by on $50 a year.

Finally, I STILL have to wonder what Microsoft plans to do next gen. So far their sales are only doing good as lon gas they continue offering more and more deals. If the X-Box were not a Microsoft product it would have went under long ago. However, the question is whether or not people will be interested in the X-Box 2 if they have to pay full and regular price.

Anyway, that is my long winded point. I am very unimpressed with X-Box and think it is the biggest disappointment this gen. I mean, it is Microsoft for crap sake and they gave up the battle for first long ago and have the nerver now to brag about how 2nd place they are. Wow. Not that I'm in love with GC. I'm not, I too think Nintendo has their problems. However, I find it strange when people praise the X-Box but talk about how poorly the GC is doing. From my perspective they both have their problems, but X-Box is doing worse because it SHOULD have been much more successful than it is now.

Could you put this same post on an Xbox forum I use to post at for me. I'd love them to hear it because they keep telling me Xbox is selling the best and it gets the highest ratings.

Anyway, I think the Xbox is doing much better than the GC. The GC is lossing third party support while Xbox gains it. The only problem Xbox has is Japan. Most Xbox fans say they don't care about Japanese games because they never make good games.

I don't agree with that but I clearly have to say Xbox as being better than GC. A reviewer refuses to rate a GC game bad despite it not being good. Plus, most Xbox game are you either like it or you don't. That is why Xbox games have such average scores on GR.

Rosencrantz · 03-04-2003

The X-Box is doing good enough for a console. It's placing (2nd or 3rd) constantly changes depending on where you get your news from and on what day. However, the way I see it, for a Microsoft product, the X-Box is doing very poorly and many games are selling just as bad as GC games. Although X-Box has the momentum and money behind it while Nintendo seems too complacent to do anything to better their position.

There is no point putting anything on an X-Box board. X-Box fanboys insist that the PS2 launch was horribleand the X-Box launch was the geatest of any system ever. Yet if you go to Gamerankings and average out the scores of all the launch games for both systems...they are about equal. Technically PS2 is like .4 higher, but that is beside the point. PS2 launch had more 9+ games than X-Box and more 8+ games than X-Box, yet fanboys will be fanboys. PLus, again, everybody has their own tastes and opinions.

Frankly, I think next gen will be the true test for all the systems.

Tosser00 · 03-04-2003

Arnold, what the hell was so bad about Eternal Darkness? The story was great, the graphics were great, the combat was fun as hell, and the magic system kicked ass. It kept me involved to the very end. One of the most overlooked sleeper hits of 2002 if you ask me.

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As opposed to the Xbox's fresh line up of new titles like Halo, Project Gotham, Jet Set Radio Future, Splinter Cell, Moto GP (still the most sophisticated moto racer on the market, and vastly different than any other moto game out there). And what about the future? Fable, B.C, Halo 2, Project Gotham 2, and a wave of new titles.

Arnold, wtf do you expect? It's a new ****ing console! You don't think Sony would be rehashing titles right now? I sure as hell think they would, only one problem, every single original title on Ps1 that got a sequel sold like shit because they picked horrible developers, or the game just plain sucked. Obviously now Sony has quite a strong first-party lineup, but I'm merely making a point.

PlaystationFan · 03-04-2003

Oh yeah, well the Xbox could whip the shit out of the cube anyday. It's got a 6 pound weight advantage. lol

Anyway, i would take the Xbox over the cube anyday of the week. Basically because it is getting better titles. It's got an online plan.

I dislike the gamecube, because Zelda is a decent game, but overrated. I mean how many times can we play as link and battle gannon. Mario is getting stale. The only think keeping nintendo from drowning is the fact that they consistently make newer franchises(Pikmin and Animal Crossing.) They lost RARE, the company that made half of my nintendo 64 game collection. I havn't fully supported nintendo since the snes.

PlaystationFan · 03-04-2003

One question though, everyone loves zelda right? Would you keep playing Metal Gear if every single game in the series you battled liquid snake?

03-04-2003	#85
Rosencrantz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 171	All I know is what I see. There is no real point in arguing preferences because it is like comparing apples and oranges, so to speak. What I see is that Gamerankings rates MORE GC higher than X-Box games. GC has way more games than X-Box rated in the top 200 scores. Since GR takes averages from many different places I would like to think that their scoring holds some merit. Personally, I feel that most X-Box games gets a boost in scores due simply to graphics. To make my point Arnold, you talk about all the problems Apex has, yet MANY websites and magazines are talking like this is the secong coming for racing games. GS rated the game in the 7's and the fanboys revolted because GS gave it a lower score than a lot of sights that rated it. From the sound of things your review is similar to GS's, so I will assumes those high 8's to 9 ratings are over doing it. Why so high? Because the graphics are good so people over look everything that is more important. I would only partially agree with your comments on X-Box games being more "successful" than GC games. It is true that any game without the Nintendo name on it sells like crap. However, most of those big name games you listed as being grea (JSRF, PDO, etc) have sold just as horribly. Basically X-Box has it's own reputation for horrible sales, although it isn't as bad as the GC's right now because htey aren't in last place. If X-Box was in 3rd place in sales I guarantee the positions would be reversed and third parties would be pulling their X-Box support. As for the person who menioned the profit from XBL...there is no profit. It costs Microsoft millions upon millions to set up XBL and they have't seen any proft from it yet. They won't for a long time. Or at least until they start charging a monthly fee which WILL come despite what most say. There is no way they are going to let people continue to slide by on $50 a year. Finally, I STILL have to wonder what Microsoft plans to do next gen. So far their sales are only doing good as lon gas they continue offering more and more deals. If the X-Box were not a Microsoft product it would have went under long ago. However, the question is whether or not people will be interested in the X-Box 2 if they have to pay full and regular price. Anyway, that is my long winded point. I am very unimpressed with X-Box and think it is the biggest disappointment this gen. I mean, it is Microsoft for crap sake and they gave up the battle for first long ago and have the nerver now to brag about how 2nd place they are. Wow. Not that I'm in love with GC. I'm not, I too think Nintendo has their problems. However, I find it strange when people praise the X-Box but talk about how poorly the GC is doing. From my perspective they both have their problems, but X-Box is doing worse because it SHOULD have been much more successful than it is now. __________________ â€œLife is no way to treat an animal.\"

03-04-2003	#87
Rosencrantz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 171	The X-Box is doing good enough for a console. It's placing (2nd or 3rd) constantly changes depending on where you get your news from and on what day. However, the way I see it, for a Microsoft product, the X-Box is doing very poorly and many games are selling just as bad as GC games. Although X-Box has the momentum and money behind it while Nintendo seems too complacent to do anything to better their position. There is no point putting anything on an X-Box board. X-Box fanboys insist that the PS2 launch was horribleand the X-Box launch was the geatest of any system ever. Yet if you go to Gamerankings and average out the scores of all the launch games for both systems...they are about equal. Technically PS2 is like .4 higher, but that is beside the point. PS2 launch had more 9+ games than X-Box and more 8+ games than X-Box, yet fanboys will be fanboys. PLus, again, everybody has their own tastes and opinions. Frankly, I think next gen will be the true test for all the systems. __________________ â€œLife is no way to treat an animal.\"

03-04-2003	#89
PlaystationFan Bi-polar Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,187	Oh yeah, well the Xbox could whip the shit out of the cube anyday. It's got a 6 pound weight advantage. lol Anyway, i would take the Xbox over the cube anyday of the week. Basically because it is getting better titles. It's got an online plan. I dislike the gamecube, because Zelda is a decent game, but overrated. I mean how many times can we play as link and battle gannon. Mario is getting stale. The only think keeping nintendo from drowning is the fact that they consistently make newer franchises(Pikmin and Animal Crossing.) They lost RARE, the company that made half of my nintendo 64 game collection. I havn't fully supported nintendo since the snes. __________________ <b>I have nothing to show!!!</b>

03-04-2003	#90
PlaystationFan Bi-polar Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 3,187	One question though, everyone loves zelda right? Would you keep playing Metal Gear if every single game in the series you battled liquid snake? __________________ <b>I have nothing to show!!!</b>

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03-04-2003	#81
Ryan H. BANNED Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA PS3 Network ID: BionicNinjas Posts: 4,389	Arnold, you had me with your "XBOX titles are superior" argument right up until you recommended DOA3. Pardon? If I feel the need to gratify myself, which is the only thing a game like that could possibly be good for (and even at that you'd have to be a sex starved pre-teen), then I will just watch an actual porno. At least then I'm not denying what I am watching. Yes, the XBOX does have good games. However, I disagree with the sentiment that there are more good XBOX games than GC games. Of course it all comes down to preference, but I think in this case your disappointment with Nintendo has clouded your judgement.

03-04-2003	#82
Arnold K. (Admin) Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 6,840	Preference or not, statistically, there are more successful titles on the Xbox, rather than the GC. The games on the Cube are what? Rehashes of the same shit. THE SAME **ING SHIT. There is NOTHING NEW!** to experience on the GameCube; Metroid, Mario, Star Fox, Smash Bros, Mario Party 20, Resident Evil...WTF! As opposed to the Xbox's fresh line up of new titles like Halo, Project Gotham, Jet Set Radio Future, Splinter Cell, Moto GP (still the most sophisticated moto racer on the market, and vastly different than any other moto game out there). And what about the future? Fable, B.C, Halo 2, Project Gotham 2, and a wave of new titles. In terms of freshness, new experiences, and originality, the Xbox has the GameCube beat like a whore by her pimp. This isn't some biased ramble, this is a realization of truth; Nintendo isn't what they used to be, and they never will be if they continue this bullshit. Also: DOA3 is just a game I like to pick up and play for a few minutes here and there. It always makes for a fun multi-player game, as well.

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