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Originally posted by Ryan H.
Without being too much of an *******, if your father came to the conclusion that we live in a theocracy, or anything close to it, he's not a very good lawyer.
At all.
I really get tired of the separation of church and state argument, because most liberals who argue about it don't understand the concept of what it means, where it comes from, and what it was designed to do.
First off, the words 'separation of church and state' DO NOT APPEAR in the constitution. They came from a letter by Thomas Jefferson, explaining why he felt certain aspects of the constitution were important. That so few people actually know that, and yet continue to cite 'separation of church and state' as if it's rule number one in the constitution, amazes me.
And if we're going to apply sentiments expressed via letters, let's not forget George Washington's sentiments that all law and order comes from God, and thus any moral society must take its law from Him. Now, does Washington's statement validate the introduction of church into government? No, it doesn't.
And neither does Jefferson's statement.
On top of that, religion is not and has not played nearly the role liberal pundits are claiming. The expression that moral values were more important that democrats anticipated does not mean that religion in government is rampant; in fact I could conclusively demonstrate otherwise. All their suprise means is that democrats haven't the foggiest ****ing clue what matters to people in the red states.
But, since we have this claim about Catholicism and Christianity encroaching on government, let's take a look at some of the surrounding events concerning religion in government.
In Los Angelos, the county was forced to remove the symbol of the cross from the county seal, as it was deemed to violate 'separation of church and state', even though Los Angelos was started as a catholic mission and would not exist today without the religious roots that created it.
In Alabama, a judge lost his bench after refusing to remove the ten commandments from the courthouse.
The city of Las Cruces, New Mexico was sued in an attempt to force a name change, as Las Cruces means 'the cross' in Spanish.
The theory of creationism has been all but eliminated in public schools in favor of teachings that favor evolutionary theory exclusively, even though there is ample evidence backing up creationist theory independent of religious belief.
I could go on like this for days, but I am getting ready to leave for the weekend in just a little while, so I'll get to the point.
No leaders of the religious community hold governmental office. There are no priests or reverends in the senate, and there is no legislation that has been passed in accordance with biblical law. Therefore, the assertion that we live in a theocracy is asinine to say the least, and is, in reality, ****ing stupid.
Just because some legislation happens to be in accordance with religious beliefs held by a large portion of the population does not mean that we live in a theocracy. If such were the case, no law could be passed if it agreed in principle with any faith of any sort, which would effectively translate into persecution of church by government.
I'd like to remind everyone that the concept of 'separation of church and state' is meant not only to protect the government from the church, but to protect the church from the government. Advocating the abolition of any religious influence in the country in the name of separation is incredibly hypocritical. I mean hell, the supreme court is decorated with religious symbols, and meetings in congress begin with a prayer.
And yet so many liberals claim outrage over the presence of 'one nation under God' in the pledge of allegiance.... sigh
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First it wasn't just my father. Plus youd be calling abunch of federal judges stupid too. (Not that you care)
I will say though(without being an *******), you are VERY narrowminded. I know i can be at times, but you are VERY narrowminded.
Nice work on the Congress sessions prayers etc. I now will ask my rep why they do that.
That also could be a tribute to the American people losing sight of what should be done in the government.
Abortion. Its wrong, yes. Should it be legsilated against because of our belief? No. Why? Because everyone doesn't have the same beliefs.
Same secenario.